Compromise Line by EEPROM on June 10, 2002

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Capture the Flag Lush Clear Client Side Custom Textures Custom Shapes

Well, after being laid off my job a few weeks ago I have found some free time to start mapping and prefabing again. So, here is my first T2 map with my own custom interiors. Don’t let the pics on this page fool you, the main base itself just might be the largest interior built for Tribes 2 yet, maybe. Let me start out be telling you all a little about each interior. The main base consist of a castle, two huge bunkers on the front beach, a hanger for flying vehicles only in the sea cliff, a motor pool for land vehicles only under the castle and all these are connected underground by a network of tunnels and rooms. At the fare North and South of this map are two different types of suspension bridges that connect the two landmasses. At the ends of both bridges is a team bunker that has a secret back door entrance where you will find the bunker generator. Each teams main base interior faces the enemy separated by a body of water. Be careful, the front of these main bases is heavily defended so a simple jump-fly across the body of water may not be the safes way to go. Also, you’ll find it hard getting a tank up the steep sea cliff walls so I recommend using the passes and bridges. Remember, I have been away from mapping for some time now and this map may be a bit rusty. However, it’s been play tested time and time again and I think most of the bugs have been worked out (keeping fingers crossed). One more thing, for some reason this map takes quite a while to load so give it time. I’m not sure if I am building the vl2 file right or not. If you have problems getting it to load simply unzip the vl2 file using Winzip into your base folder. That seams to fix the load problem for me. Anyway, hope you enjoy it. Expect to see more from this dinosaur of T2 mapping.

Oh yeah, if anyone is looking to hire a 3D game artist or Reliability Engineer, send me a bite on my email. I sure could use a paying job right about now.

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by PeachSkin on June 10, 2002 · Rating:
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it deserves a A+ cuz the work is impressive. I honestly dont like the map's playability, but the prefabs are cool with a lot of corridors ala q3 and a very good atmosphere. Release or email me ( [email protected] ) ur worldcraft files and u will make me happy, i would build a minotaur-like easily ^^

by TseTse on June 10, 2002 · Rating:
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Wow. Wonderful. I love the gameplay, and it's suited for real pubs. Nasty load time, likely due to the size and number of interiors (lighting), but this is a joy to play. I suspect that some LODs, texures, and portals could be tweaked around the v-bay. That said, this is a really nice T2 map and brings to life the kind of gameplay which people on the pubs seem to appreciate... VERY well done. I particularly appreciate the care that went into the terrain and the design of the flag room exit/entrances. I could go on and on... Kudos.

by Iczer3 on June 10, 2002 · Rating:
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EEEEEEEEEEE! it's EEPROM!!! YAY!!!
We all seem to get influenced by Akira's custom objects don't we? Very sweet looking suspension bridge, nicest i've ever seen. I'll download it after i get home (i love goofing off in Cisco! :D)

by WarriorDragon15 on June 10, 2002 · Rating:
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Excelent work E. This is a freaking awsome map! I especially like that suspension bridge. But the custom shapes in general rock! Has overall good gameplay. Too bad it's client side tho. But I suppose you have to sacrafice a little for greatness, especially with those kick arse shapes. Good map man. Deffinatly worth anyone's download.

by TheBerk on June 10, 2002 · Rating:
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Nice job....
Now on to playability.. Not so good.... for me.... : )
I am sure if I had at least higher then a 850 mhz or so it would be better but my scrawny 500 mhz barely squeked thru it.. I gave up after a few minutes but I took a tour of most of the map.. I think its awesome and I should probably stick this map on a cdr and hold off til I get my new puter..... : )
Awesome work man.. : )

by snyperpunk_LP on June 10, 2002 · Rating:
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I saw this map on riflemans a while ago. there was only 10 peeps so i thought it probly sucked **** so i didnt bother joining. I didnt expect rifle to have a CS map on his server!! great map!!!! to bad about getin layed off though.

by Deathscythe~40 on June 10, 2002 · Rating:
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FOR GODS SAKE MAN! that base is HUGE! this takes me back to my unreal tournament days. unfortuanatly i didnt bother to see if it was DM also, hmmm..im sure ill find out when im done posting. excellent texturing and overall shapes..this is definatly going in my Meltdown Classic Map Pack! so if and when it starts getting servers, itll have a nice broad audience exposed to it. ^_^ glad your back! sorry bout the job =\ i know what that crap is like

by CleverClothe on June 11, 2002 · Rating:
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Excellent interiors. I love the under works of the bunkers, the entities REALLY add to the ambience. Excellent lighting (though in some of the halways the while lights need to be toned down, and a few of the exterior lights are missing.. well, light). But these could REALLY REALLY REALLY use vehicle collision entities (and LOD's if you haven't done so). This will help alot with the lag. The reason I am not posting my grade now (which is currently a "C") is because there is a major flaw that I need to know if it is intentional. Both the main generators of both teams are non-destroyable. They are so far embeded into the wall that they cannot be damaged. Is this intentional???

by metaltank on June 11, 2002 · Rating:
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Besides suffering from a poor name, this has got to be the coolest map I've seen in a long time. Maybe the coolest ever! If I could, I'd grade it Ultra-Mega A++! The interiors are simply amazing and HUGE! So huge that they may draw comparisons to a level from Quake (1, 2, or 3...take your pick) or Unreal. Some may consider that a negative but I think it's pretty damn sweet. If this is your first attempt at building custom interiors, I might as well stop building because this far surpasses anything I've done or can envision doing. I can't think of a better custom interior built by anyone, including the dev team. Not to be outdone, the map itself is quite nice. I particularly like the high yet rolling mountains. Reminds me a bit of Archipelago only with larger land masses. The map does take a while to load but it is worth it. I can't really comment on lag attributed to the interiors as I run a fairly beefy machine. Once loaded, it ran beautifully for me. Well, I've blathered on long enough. If you haven't downloaded it by now, seek psychiatric help because you need it in a big way.

by EEPROM on June 11, 2002 · Rating:
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In regards to CleverClothe comments,

I’m sure there were more things left out of these interiors then just LODs and a few lights. I never claimed to be any type of expert when it comes to WC. However, I do feel that what I have produced in just a few weeks without any teachings form WC masters is nothing more then astonishing. Like I said before, this is my first fab for T2 and most likely will have many FPS problems on lower end systems. I also mention that my next map with custom interiors will be much better since I am learning about how to build interiors for the Torque engine. If anyone out there would be interested in giving me a few lessons about LODs I would appreciate it (ICQ# 48933846). Never the less I’m sure I will figure them out after time. This map was more of a learning experience for me then a masterpiece to be judged and rated (although I don’t mind that it received a few A ratings). One thing I do want to point out is how I used portals on the exterior entrances, how they project shadows of exterior light sources better then most I have seen in the past (one simple improvement).

As for the main base gens, I forgot to mention that they could only be destroyed with a direct shot from a Chain gun (ooops, sorry).

by CleverClothe on June 11, 2002 · Rating:
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The only fault is unessesary lag. And if you are a jug, good luck getting around (especially going from the bottom of the map to the top). This is a beautiful map. A "must have". It will be very vehilc orriented. And the bases are large, thus hard to defend. It is well ballanced (though the generators will be hard to take down). I have not yet had a chance to see how well the bots do though.

by Knell on June 11, 2002 · Rating:
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sometimes i wish they put the T1 elavators in T2. 1 particular time was on this map. I fell down the hole to the generator in one of the bunkers in a jugg and had some serious difficulties getting back up.
btw can u make anything bigger for your next map?

by Alundra on June 12, 2002 · Rating:
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VERY VERY Nice. The base is super huge, and I could never get board of it, if theres 2 things I would point out that I really like in the base, is one the secret tunnelway in the base, and two the vehicle tunnel. Very kick ass map and it deserves to be MOTW.

by Gorthaur on June 12, 2002 · Rating:
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you said you were quitting t2 mapping long ago! nice map though, really like the fog color, but i dont understand, why are the main generators invulnerable?

by Darkbolt on June 13, 2002 · Rating:
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This is the single best map i've played. The terrain, like all your others, is incredible, and its obvious you spent a lot of time. I can't even begin to describe the bases. They were so unique, and so incredible, it made me let an outloud "Wow!" just like TseTse's Zen. It's good to see you back again in the mapping world, and i'm, so privledged that your in my mapping tribe :D. Everyone join Tribes2 Mappers Forum!!! :)

by Lead Falcon on June 16, 2002 · Rating:
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This is a gorgeous map! Sure, it's a bit laggy, but it's a small price to pay for the quality of it. I like the "secret" back entrance to the North and South bunkers; that is a very long shaft! The terrain is PERFECTLY done and i like it alot. the base could not have been done better - I might've thought it was Akira's! The base works great with the terrain too, and the air vehicle bay looks like something out of Star Wars =). You must give me some design tips for WC - my bases always turn out either small and excessively detailed, or large and bland. Anyway I'll shut up for now... Great job EEP!

by Deathscythe~40 on June 14, 2002 · Rating:
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well i found a few bugs other than those with the gens:
1) the corridors that leads from the shoreline to the bunkers is underwater on one side (cant remember what team) dunno if this was intentional; if it was the water doesnt show up. also, the air ducts that go from the Vpad to the gen room are pitch black when the power is off and its really hard to find your way out. same with the ones in the bunkers when the power is off. just minor things that are more annoying than serious problems..other than that its amazing and i would give it an A+ again if i could ^_^

by Killin is fun on June 14, 2002 · Rating:
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What an impressive base. It is not only aesthetically pleasing, but it is also built in a way that it's complexity is not a hindrance to the offense. I love how many entrances there are. The small hole in the floor of the aircraft bay opens into a system of ducts that allow access to the base generators. This ensures that the defenders will have a lot to think about, while the small opening will make it hard for attackers to get in when they're under fire.

The flag also has multiple entrances, which will make it easier for cappers and flag clearers to do their jobs. All in all, the main base is the best designed base I've seen. It promises to promote the kind of indoor combat seen in Recalessence, while maintaining a good flow of gameplay that will allow flags to be capped.

I didn't see much use for the two bridges. Both were a considerable distance away from the main bases, and were hard to get to. I couldn't find any road that would allow an MPB to reach the bridge, but I didn't look too hard. There seems to be very little advantage to using the bridges as opposed to a frontal assault.

I would love to play this map on a huge server. It would definately make Tribes 2 worthy of its description, 'Team combat on an epic scale.'

by Knell on June 14, 2002 · Rating:
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Actually there is a road that allows asn MPB to reach the bridge. The problem is controlling it while it rolls down the hill to the bridge.

by EEPROM on June 15, 2002 · Rating:
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In response to Deathscythe~40’s comments, in regards to the team bunkers at the ends of the bridges, those lower tunnels where the gen is, it was intentional that I placed them low enough so that you would get the water physics and sound effects while making your way to then gen. Almost like the floor is wet and mossy. If you look real hard at the floor you will see that the texture I used is of mossy material too, so that was planned. I also did not want the water to show cause waves in that tunnel would have look silly, I just wanted the sound and physics of the water. In regards to the duct system in the main base and being too dark when the gens go down, that was planned too. There was one thing I was totally trying to achieve while building these models that I have not seen yet in any interiors in T2 and that was when the gens go down its going to get dark, real dark, more realistic. It also forces you out of the duct system after blowing the gens, one small price to pay. However, I did notice that at lower video settings, mostly pertaining to the shadow details, when set lower the interiors become much darker. One more thing I have learned from this map.

by EEPROM on June 15, 2002 · Rating:
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In response to Killin Is Fun’s comments, there are roads that lead from the Motor Pool to both bridges and its quite easily traversed using a MPB. These roads are kind of like the back roads is Sanctuary. Believe it or not I still have not figured out how to paint parts of the terrain using the paint function in the terrain editor. To me it seems that the paint function doesn’t work at all, so I left the roads with a grassy texture, my bad. However, if you take the road that leads to the non-support suspension bridge, on your way you will pass a blown out bunker. This is where I like to set up my MPB on the enemy side since it makes a good base away from base position for your team. And Knell is right, be careful of those down side hills while maneuvering the MPB. If your not careful you will find yourself creaming down the side of those steep sea wall cliffs. But then again, I love rolling MPB.

by -Inker- on June 15, 2002 · Rating:
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This is a work of art. I put this on my server so that people can check it out, even though I don't have the bandwidth to host a big game. This really needs to be played on the big servers with about 60 peeps. It would be awesome!

by Ingolifs on June 17, 2002 · Rating:
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Wow. This map brings back memories of Scarabrae, albeit underground. mainly because of the big rooms, the winding ducts, the Vehicle chute and the ability to destroy the gens with a shrike (yea, it's possible)

As I'm the judging perfectionist kind, i can't resist critisising bits.
The main thing i dont like about it is the mountain infront of the base, what is its purpose exactly? Oh, and the Generator room needs to be... well more generator like (like in broadside/scarabrae if that's possible)
But apart from that, it rocks.

by EEPROM on June 18, 2002 · Rating:
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In regards to Ingolifs Question, why the mountain in front of the main base? (mostly directed toward the hanger aria). The answer is simple. One night a friend and I were testing out this map. I was on one side/team and he was on the other. All we did the whole night for several hours is build Shrikes and kamikaze into each other’s hanger. It was so easy too. Build the Shrike and press the forward button. Too easy if you ask me. However, I do remember the days of Scarabrae and how kamikaze runs into that hanger helped slow down the enemy air attacks, so I did not want to eliminate this tactic completely. So, I built up those mountains in an attempt to make what was easy not so easy. In return what I got was not just an obstacle for any Shrike kamikaze run but also a nice perch for defensive players. It also makes a nice resting spot for offensive players as they cross the deep blue.

by Q-Ice on June 28, 2002 · Rating:
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EEPROM all I can say is...WOW...I really like the deep tower on each side of the main base they are sweet.
You are the mapping genius.
btw
Would anyone know why when I place some custom buildings in a map that I am making and when I send it to someone then those custom buildings disappear. Do people have to download the maps that I get the custom objects from or is there a way around it, could I include a certain file with the map to fix the problem?

by Lagg_Alot on July 1, 2002 · Rating:
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Love this map. Wish it supported bots cause nobody takes the time to download client side maps or they don't know how. I need someone to play it with.

My Bot has a Chaingun for you.

by Ingolifs on July 12, 2002 · Rating:
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I just have to say, if EEPROM had spawnswitches like in akira's Ziggurat map in the bunkers and such, it would rock ass.Too many times i have wound up in the bunkers when i wanted a vehicle.
The generators are still a bit boring tho (I make nice ones)

by Dr. Pimento on July 13, 2002 · Rating:
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Good heavens.. 1,100 downloads, and just keeps going.. and threatening the Final Map Pack on the "most 30" list! EEPROM, if you're not careful, you're likely to get picked up by Dynamix. This is the best map *ever*, baring absolutely none other. 'Though AquaBots is a rival.. Bases are massive.. a ton of fun with lots of people. And if you're stuck at home, just go exploring! It's incredible how much work seems to have been put into this.. I'm going to religiously download all maps, from now on, that come from this great name. Cheers!

by war tigerclaw on July 28, 2002 · Rating:
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Man this map kicks, when you going to make another? I know I shouldn't be telling a genious like you what to do, but next time could you get a screen shot of the base? Anyway this map rocks and diserves the A+, Lata!

by x_Creech_x on August 3, 2002 · Rating:
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MY GOD!!!! This has to be one of the best maps I have ever played!! Great job man...cant wait to see whats next.
...now wheres the A++ option?
^ ^x

by x_Creech_x on August 2, 2002 · Rating:
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I honestly havent even played it yet, but just the fact that you made a HUGE ass bridge like that earns you an A+ in my book.
^ ^x

by Wet Duck on August 5, 2002 · Rating:
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Great map! Going down that insanely log ventilator shaft in the bunkers reminded me of something you would see in a movie. I thought at first I would eventually die by hitting some invisible barrier but NO, I kept going down and down and down until I hit that catwalk. GREAT IDEA! I didn't give you an A+ because the map almost was too overwhelming. And you’re right about needing a faster computer to play. I have an 800mghz and a GeForce 2 64 and it slowed down at times with full detail just by myself. You have great ideas but maybe scale back a little for your next map. Not on detail or overall quality but on scale. GREAT MAP!!

by Sfphinx on August 7, 2002 · Rating:
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E! You are awesome. Good job. As some people have pointed out there are a few flaws here and there, but good lord!, the maps kicks butt! I love the custom interiors and bridges. I have a 1.8 Ghz, 768 MB DIMM, win2k and I don't have a problem with the map. Haven't had a chance to search through all the interiors, so much hiddens openings and such! Great job once again.

Sfphinx
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"All your maps are belong to me!"

by DeathPidgeon on August 7, 2002 · Rating:
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All mod developers need to include the tribes2autodownload exe or be shot...great map maybe you could spend another half hour and add some bot support to it!!!!!!!!!111

by SkaMaster on August 12, 2002 · Rating:
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what, deathpidgeon? That's no reason to make a grade for the map. And also, there's no reason to deduct from a map's grade because you think it should have bot support. Hopefully this grade will even things out a bit.

by DeathPidgeon on August 12, 2002 · Rating:
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I can too because not all of us have the broadband and i understand that it may seem insignificant to those who are not broadbandidly challenged but adding botsupport is not impossible and usually doesnt take a long time....great map nonetheless....and i reead that he was examining the possiblity of adding bots any way--right on m
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